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	<title>Comments on: How do you manage your bench?</title>
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	<description>Undergoing a slight crisis of identity ... and taking it all the way to Icecrown.</description>
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		<title>By: Naithin</title>
		<link>http://altadin.com/2009/10/15/how-do-you-manage-your-bench/comment-page-1/#comment-1958</link>
		<dc:creator>Naithin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, Less than Threeing you ate me response. Silly HTML tags. It didn&#039;t even have a close! It should not have tried to parse it! Anyways. Yes,

Less than Three.

It&#039;s probably moot anyway though, as I think that there really is just too much overhead for this plan to be practical over the long term.

Also, even if we were to give it a shot, I think that trying to balance it for any more than a single item per boss would be a nightmare. So might have to just have people pick the one item they MOST want from any given encounter, and allow them to update if they either get that drop, or another drop which changes their minds.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, Less than Threeing you ate me response. Silly HTML tags. It didn&#8217;t even have a close! It should not have tried to parse it! Anyways. Yes,</p>
<p>Less than Three.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably moot anyway though, as I think that there really is just too much overhead for this plan to be practical over the long term.</p>
<p>Also, even if we were to give it a shot, I think that trying to balance it for any more than a single item per boss would be a nightmare. So might have to just have people pick the one item they MOST want from any given encounter, and allow them to update if they either get that drop, or another drop which changes their minds.<br />
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		<title>By: Naithin</title>
		<link>http://altadin.com/2009/10/15/how-do-you-manage-your-bench/comment-page-1/#comment-1956</link>
		<dc:creator>Naithin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that there must be a way involving less work.

I sort of came to this conclusion as I was writing it up in the first place, but had one of those, &#039;....Yep&#039; moments when I found myself pondering picking up LUA (finally) and seeing if I couldn&#039;t whack out a WoW addon for us to use for this purpose.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there must be a way involving less work.</p>
<p>I sort of came to this conclusion as I was writing it up in the first place, but had one of those, &#8216;&#8230;.Yep&#8217; moments when I found myself pondering picking up LUA (finally) and seeing if I couldn&#8217;t whack out a WoW addon for us to use for this purpose.<br />
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		<title>By: Elleiras</title>
		<link>http://altadin.com/2009/10/15/how-do-you-manage-your-bench/comment-page-1/#comment-1955</link>
		<dc:creator>Elleiras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does, thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: Naithin</title>
		<link>http://altadin.com/2009/10/15/how-do-you-manage-your-bench/comment-page-1/#comment-1954</link>
		<dc:creator>Naithin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps should rephrase it a little less absolutist. I mean that optimising raid comp shouldn&#039;t come before all other considerations. Getting as many OMGZ shots in a single kill should be.

That said, raid comp optimisation will likely - at least to some degree - follow naturally from that. We already know that if 3 shamans want the exact same item, only one of them is going to be able to win it, so it would just make sense to switch one or both of the other two out for people wanting different items.

All I meant to say is that we shouldn&#039;t ever have the situation where (non tank/healer requirement) raid comp considerations mean someone who has an OMGZ item from the current boss has to sit out, when there is no-one else with that item at the same level of desire.

Does that make more sense?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps should rephrase it a little less absolutist. I mean that optimising raid comp shouldn&#8217;t come before all other considerations. Getting as many OMGZ shots in a single kill should be.</p>
<p>That said, raid comp optimisation will likely &#8211; at least to some degree &#8211; follow naturally from that. We already know that if 3 shamans want the exact same item, only one of them is going to be able to win it, so it would just make sense to switch one or both of the other two out for people wanting different items.</p>
<p>All I meant to say is that we shouldn&#8217;t ever have the situation where (non tank/healer requirement) raid comp considerations mean someone who has an OMGZ item from the current boss has to sit out, when there is no-one else with that item at the same level of desire.</p>
<p>Does that make more sense?<br />
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		<title>By: Elleiras</title>
		<link>http://altadin.com/2009/10/15/how-do-you-manage-your-bench/comment-page-1/#comment-1953</link>
		<dc:creator>Elleiras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Vanqs were going to second and third offspecs?  Yep.</description>
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		<title>By: Elleiras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elleiras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would be the logic for /not/ using it to optimize raid comp?  Obviously, there&#039;s more flexibility on farm content, but I can&#039;t think of very many circumstances in which I wouldn&#039;t trade a second elemental shaman for a moonkin or a fifth rogue for an enhancement shaman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be the logic for /not/ using it to optimize raid comp?  Obviously, there&#8217;s more flexibility on farm content, but I can&#8217;t think of very many circumstances in which I wouldn&#8217;t trade a second elemental shaman for a moonkin or a fifth rogue for an enhancement shaman.</p>
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		<title>By: Lupius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lupius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember we had 13/25 people rolling on the protector token in BT?</description>
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		<title>By: Naithin</title>
		<link>http://altadin.com/2009/10/15/how-do-you-manage-your-bench/comment-page-1/#comment-1950</link>
		<dc:creator>Naithin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually *cough* at least on my part, I had a typo in there which this time significantly changed what I meant to say. I meant to say:

Other than for Tank/Healer requirements, we should *NOT* use it to balance for raid comp. 

Possible exception is if we honestly believe it&#039;d make the difference between wiping the rest of the night or actually progressing a boss in new content (Icecrown, I r lookin at choo). 

But yeah, you raise another significant issue with this. It isn&#039;t just an overhead of management time, but there would be additional time between boss pulls as well, subbing people in and out like this. Only real way to be able to counter that would to have it preplanned who was doing what.

Meaning people would have to be stellarly amazing at signing up to raids they plan on being there for, as well as being in vent or at least paying attention to guild so that they know when to haul ass over to the raid portal ready to pop in.

If they don&#039;t.. TOUGH! 

I don&#039;t see it really working any other way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually *cough* at least on my part, I had a typo in there which this time significantly changed what I meant to say. I meant to say:</p>
<p>Other than for Tank/Healer requirements, we should *NOT* use it to balance for raid comp. </p>
<p>Possible exception is if we honestly believe it&#8217;d make the difference between wiping the rest of the night or actually progressing a boss in new content (Icecrown, I r lookin at choo). </p>
<p>But yeah, you raise another significant issue with this. It isn&#8217;t just an overhead of management time, but there would be additional time between boss pulls as well, subbing people in and out like this. Only real way to be able to counter that would to have it preplanned who was doing what.</p>
<p>Meaning people would have to be stellarly amazing at signing up to raids they plan on being there for, as well as being in vent or at least paying attention to guild so that they know when to haul ass over to the raid portal ready to pop in.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t.. TOUGH! </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see it really working any other way.<br />
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		<title>By: Forreststump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forreststump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...the increased competition for raid spots could prove a powerful incentive to improvement for those raiders who aren’t performing to the full of their potential.&quot;

^ This.

It&#039;s why I am constantly scrutinizing the HPS and trying to determine if the drop off this week is me, or just the raid taking less damage overall.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the increased competition for raid spots could prove a powerful incentive to improvement for those raiders who aren’t performing to the full of their potential.&#8221;</p>
<p>^ This.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why I am constantly scrutinizing the HPS and trying to determine if the drop off this week is me, or just the raid taking less damage overall.<br />
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		<title>By: Elleiras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elleiras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Jong&#039;s approach, lol. &quot;Who wants to play catch with an old Vodoo Skull in Dalaran while we roflstomp this fight so Elam can stop gnawing on the bench for fear that some rogue will ninja his mace (again)?&quot; &quot;Okay, awesome. Have some free EP and a cookie.&quot;

:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Jong&#8217;s approach, lol. &#8220;Who wants to play catch with an old Vodoo Skull in Dalaran while we roflstomp this fight so Elam can stop gnawing on the bench for fear that some rogue will ninja his mace (again)?&#8221; &#8220;Okay, awesome. Have some free EP and a cookie.&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://altadin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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