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	<title>Comments on: Fuzzy ethics, loot drama and yet another crazy healadin.</title>
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		<title>By: Gnomedolf</title>
		<link>http://altadin.com/2009/09/24/fuzzy-ethics-loot-drama-and-yet-another-crazy-healadin/comment-page-1/#comment-1730</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnomedolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only other thing I can suggest is that if no one can use the gear except one person than just give that gear to the raider.  He/She has no one to compete with any way and should the gear go to the disenchant isle of things why not just give it to him.  On the other hand I do see where you are coming from.  He was a fairly new member to the guild and even though 2 weeks of raiding does take some time, It is still not enough time to be able to roll on tier gear at all.  Tier pieces are for consistency not sporatic periods of raiding.  Thats why a DKP system (in my opinion) is one of the best system there is.  Certain number of points awarded for each raid/boss, however your guild does it.  Then you roll if you have the amount required to buy the gear if you win you win, if not oh well go cry some where else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only other thing I can suggest is that if no one can use the gear except one person than just give that gear to the raider.  He/She has no one to compete with any way and should the gear go to the disenchant isle of things why not just give it to him.  On the other hand I do see where you are coming from.  He was a fairly new member to the guild and even though 2 weeks of raiding does take some time, It is still not enough time to be able to roll on tier gear at all.  Tier pieces are for consistency not sporatic periods of raiding.  Thats why a DKP system (in my opinion) is one of the best system there is.  Certain number of points awarded for each raid/boss, however your guild does it.  Then you roll if you have the amount required to buy the gear if you win you win, if not oh well go cry some where else.</p>
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		<title>By: Elleiras</title>
		<link>http://altadin.com/2009/09/24/fuzzy-ethics-loot-drama-and-yet-another-crazy-healadin/comment-page-1/#comment-1720</link>
		<dc:creator>Elleiras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, the guild Landron just joined uses a loot council (and is notorious for looting to friends and favorites over their run-of-the-mill members -- a distinction my guild strives not to make &gt;.&lt;).  

I initially thought it was odd that someone who accused our officers of abusing a point-based system to make loot council-like decisions would join an actual loot council guild ... but maybe some people just need to be absolved of the responsibility of &quot;smart bidding.&quot;

If we had decided &quot;Here, take these!&quot; and not assessed a penalty in the form of Gear Points, would he have walked away a happy paladin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, the guild Landron just joined uses a loot council (and is notorious for looting to friends and favorites over their run-of-the-mill members &#8212; a distinction my guild strives not to make >.<).  </p>
<p>I initially thought it was odd that someone who accused our officers of abusing a point-based system to make loot council-like decisions would join an actual loot council guild &#8230; but maybe some people just need to be absolved of the responsibility of &#8220;smart bidding.&#8221;</p>
<p>If we had decided &#8220;Here, take these!&#8221; and not assessed a penalty in the form of Gear Points, would he have walked away a happy paladin?</p>
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		<title>By: Dorgol</title>
		<link>http://altadin.com/2009/09/24/fuzzy-ethics-loot-drama-and-yet-another-crazy-healadin/comment-page-1/#comment-1718</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorgol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad thing is - the off tier pieces are fantastic. I&#039;m already wearing the chest (Frozen Lakes?) and legs from ToC25, plus bracers, belt, and shield. Sidenote - it is always fun being the only Holy Paladin when new raid content is released. Of course, the side effect is that when tier pieces drop I&#039;m usually already sitting on gear of the same ilvl and so don&#039;t get a piece. I only ever got 2 pieces of Tier 8, and both of those in PUGs (one in a Vault run).

Our guild uses a loot council. I don&#039;t always agree with their decisions (2 weeks ago they gave the caster shield to a shaman (replacing his i226 shield) instead of me (to replace my i200 shield)). I was initially upset, but remember that said Shaman uses the shield in his main AND off-spec and has slightly better attendance than I do.

Overall, it seems most of the guilds I&#039;ve seen are switching to the council system. I guess now that gear is all over the place people are jonesing for that next epic quite as much as they were in vanilla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad thing is &#8211; the off tier pieces are fantastic. I&#8217;m already wearing the chest (Frozen Lakes?) and legs from ToC25, plus bracers, belt, and shield. Sidenote &#8211; it is always fun being the only Holy Paladin when new raid content is released. Of course, the side effect is that when tier pieces drop I&#8217;m usually already sitting on gear of the same ilvl and so don&#8217;t get a piece. I only ever got 2 pieces of Tier 8, and both of those in PUGs (one in a Vault run).</p>
<p>Our guild uses a loot council. I don&#8217;t always agree with their decisions (2 weeks ago they gave the caster shield to a shaman (replacing his i226 shield) instead of me (to replace my i200 shield)). I was initially upset, but remember that said Shaman uses the shield in his main AND off-spec and has slightly better attendance than I do.</p>
<p>Overall, it seems most of the guilds I&#8217;ve seen are switching to the council system. I guess now that gear is all over the place people are jonesing for that next epic quite as much as they were in vanilla.</p>
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		<title>By: When in Doubt, Raid! &#171; Shaman On Ramen: The Diary Of an AP trinket!</title>
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		<dc:creator>When in Doubt, Raid! &#171; Shaman On Ramen: The Diary Of an AP trinket!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] faults- a good twenty of us have been online, prepared, and ready to go every week. However, due to insane holy paladin initiates (rage quit because he was a loot whore/general douchebaggery), bad warrior/death knight dps [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] faults- a good twenty of us have been online, prepared, and ready to go every week. However, due to insane holy paladin initiates (rage quit because he was a loot whore/general douchebaggery), bad warrior/death knight dps [...]</p>
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		<title>By: When In Doubt, Raid. - Shaman on Ramen</title>
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		<dc:creator>When In Doubt, Raid. - Shaman on Ramen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] faults- a good twenty of us have been online, prepared, and ready to go every week. However, due to insane holy paladin initiates (rage quit because he was a loot whore/general douchebaggery), bad warrior/death knight dps [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] faults- a good twenty of us have been online, prepared, and ready to go every week. However, due to insane holy paladin initiates (rage quit because he was a loot whore/general douchebaggery), bad warrior/death knight dps [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eidlhe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eidlhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear there are emotionally stable healadins out there.    I&#039;m one.  Sorry this one didn&#039;t work out for you, but keep trying.   

As for loot systems, we&#039;re a small guild and do a mainspec over offspec rule.   We also have a lot of the &quot;link your gear so I can see how much of an upgrade that is for you&quot; conversations...generally on our undergeared players.   We see a lot of passes so that our undergeared players get the bigger upgrade, which leads to the team being better geared which in the long run helps everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear there are emotionally stable healadins out there.    I&#8217;m one.  Sorry this one didn&#8217;t work out for you, but keep trying.   </p>
<p>As for loot systems, we&#8217;re a small guild and do a mainspec over offspec rule.   We also have a lot of the &#8220;link your gear so I can see how much of an upgrade that is for you&#8221; conversations&#8230;generally on our undergeared players.   We see a lot of passes so that our undergeared players get the bigger upgrade, which leads to the team being better geared which in the long run helps everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Zahrah</title>
		<link>http://altadin.com/2009/09/24/fuzzy-ethics-loot-drama-and-yet-another-crazy-healadin/comment-page-1/#comment-1670</link>
		<dc:creator>Zahrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The loss of a trophey was well worth knowing exactly what sort of person you were letting into the guild. 

He was a silly pally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The loss of a trophey was well worth knowing exactly what sort of person you were letting into the guild. </p>
<p>He was a silly pally.</p>
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		<title>By: Asara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s so cute! :) Back in the day hubby was a tailor, and he made me a white wedding dress and stuff and bought me a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wowhead.com/?item=7340&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ring&lt;/a&gt;. He made himself the tux set, and we took a screenshot in IF of his poor balding human &#039;lock kneeling in front of my hunter in her dress and everything. It was cute :) I wish I still had it, we&#039;ve switched computers quite a few times since then, and I think it got lost in the shuffle. I still have the outfit though!
.-= Asara´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://asaradragon.blogspot.com/2009/09/quiet-on-home-front.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quiet on the home front&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so cute! <img src='http://altadin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Back in the day hubby was a tailor, and he made me a white wedding dress and stuff and bought me a <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=7340" rel="nofollow">ring</a>. He made himself the tux set, and we took a screenshot in IF of his poor balding human &#8216;lock kneeling in front of my hunter in her dress and everything. It was cute <img src='http://altadin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I wish I still had it, we&#8217;ve switched computers quite a few times since then, and I think it got lost in the shuffle. I still have the outfit though!<br />
<span class="cluv"> Asara´s last blog ..<a href="http://asaradragon.blogspot.com/2009/09/quiet-on-home-front.html" rel="nofollow">Quiet on the home front</a> </span></p>
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		<title>By: Elleiras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elleiras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

... just wow.
.-= Elleiras´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://altadin.com/2009/09/24/a-truly-epic-night/#utm_source=feed&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=feed&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A truly [Epic] night&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>&#8230; just wow.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Elleiras´s last blog ..<a href="http://altadin.com/2009/09/24/a-truly-epic-night/#utm_source=feed&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=feed" rel="nofollow">A truly [Epic] night</a> </span></p>
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		<title>By: Elleiras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elleiras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure you were, Amber.  /pat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure you were, Amber.  /pat</p>
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